", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Orgy? It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. Was she the women at the party?" >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." Same voice. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Is that how youwould describe it? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Before warning him, the > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. <<<<<<< has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice ANSWER. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Is that how youwould describe it? I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. <<<<<<<<<<<>. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." She helps Bill at the and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? ". Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. Please either stop orshape up. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. How? It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" I am ready But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. 2. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. andpleading with her to take off her mask? (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Desire is always Other. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. No comments. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Statanic mass? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. Orgy? i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. That is a possible explanation. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars This is still a mystery. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< This is still a mystery. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Can it really compete with Rupert? Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? 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