Apostasy, Excommunication, LDS, Mormon, Mormon Discussion. This man is willfully ignorant and a deceiver. Related To Shirley Rush. The discovery of the feathers as US Presidents has profound implications for our near future and the Presidency of Donald J Trump. Im not sure how anything King Follett fits in one way or the other. This is the official page for Michael B. You can edit this text and also insert any element here. Recent Arrests. Her six kids are totally screwed up. Ive had plenty of dealings with Kimberly and her associates on social media. Bro. I dont know but apparently some confusion and many paths to many trees of life. Why did she not TEST THE SPIRITS like we are taught to do in Doctrine and Covenants? They frequently inject their personal causes into any discussion whether it applies to the topic or not. Praying Mike and Margie make it through this struggle much stronger. by Maroriginal1 August 23rd, 2021, 1:27 pm. Almost means not quite. June 6, 1891. These are the scriptures of the common man not of the elite. This is going back about four years now. He even said the church is basically responsible for distributing the Book of mormon while Mike and his podcasts were used by God to GATHER THE ELECT. He inspired me to read the apocrypha of Esdras and I think the eagle prophecy is about the USA and is right on track. But I do understand his zeal to hasten the establishment of Zion. I feel very sad for him! My response: This is a podcast for those that are wanting to understanding the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and the restoration of the House of Israel. And what I first noticed about the doc is that it plays out very much like an anti-mormon literature pamphlet citing all the concerns they have about certain beliefs and blaring numerous scriptures and quotes about false prophets. Lavina Fielding Anderson , one of the famed " ">September Six</a>" writers and scholars disciplined by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1993, got a big "no" last week to . It was a problematic combination. Thats my kind, naturally . Metro. So should we all be silent lest we cause sorrow unintended, even though the vast majority find goodness in our words? This to me is in direct opposition to living to truly love your neighbor and embodying Christ-like love in all our interactions with one another. Use the Information in this Book to Prepare for What Comes Next. Oct. 18, 2018 - Michael Rush's presentation at Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy, UT re: the return of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. I do spend 30-60-and more minutes every day in prayer. Oh, I knew the feeling, but I did not know what feeling goes with the word, and I did not know the word for the feeling, and I struggled for years not knowing how to obey the Two Great Commandments since each requires a knowledge of what is love (as meant in the scripture anyway; the word has many human meanings). Mike Stroud What is told to your mind might be from God, might not be. That means if you make a purchase from a link you click on, I might receive a small commission. The superficial milk seeking, moralistic therapeutic diesism found in the minds of those like yourself have changed the way we teach the doctrines of the gospel over the course of my life and I am greatly disappointed by your ilk. Theres that little humor again I know.. Evan, I wasnt really disagreeing with what YOU said before, and I disagree even less now. I first wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, several months after I'd been introduced to his podcasts by a wardmember. Towards the end of the Saviors earthly ministry, His disciples came to Him with several questions concerning the future: Tell us what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And yet we seem to think that this whole activity in its entirety is somehow glorifying Him. I look forward to the day when were all living in peace and harmony, of one heart and one mind. DSC, I agree that the church has always dealt with apostasy from either side (its interesting to compare Malcom Jeppsens early 1990s bell curve of membership to the December 2015 Enemies Slide released by MormonLeaks things really havent changed all that much). But the only way anyone can know the answer to your question is if they were in the room with the SP o and HC.In my experience even the letter announcing the hearing is very ambiguous and of course there is never any formal announcement for the rationale for the decision. Despite Satan's deceitful prophecy to the wicked that if they create a vaccine it will save them from the pandemic, they will in truth succumb to the plague and it will be like a plague of their own making (i.e. The lies will be exposed and the truth will spill out like water. I have also pondered a time or two about that fact that when Christ read the scriptures that had been kept by the Nephites he asked why Samuel the Lamanites warnings had not been kept as scripture..So that tells me that Samuel the Lamanite was NOT considered to have been given the gift of prophecy, or he was not a respected source of information when he was alive. and Sis. After bearing a heartfelt testimony of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President Russell M. Nelson, and deity, Brother Stroud announced he'd been excommunicated for apostasy. The 3 Eagle Head identification could have several different meanings, The 2 wings (Right and Left) identification, The Lion's timing of when it comes to "save the Saints", The deeper proof behind "Why Herbert Hoover". It is what it is, and nobody here knows what it is, but only what it seems to be, with the missing parts filled in by each person that cares to imagine the missing parts. And Bellamy did not answer my question. . It had more to do with some very immature teenager girls who convinced everyone that they had a special ability to see evil in a person that no one else could. It was inappropriate for me to teach that that the Church of Latter-day Saints is Aaronic in nature and preparatory to the Melchizedek priesthood institution referred to in scripture as the Church of the Firstborn. William Tompkins - Apollo Program - Interactions with Human ETs, Military Personel Address National Press Club Regarding UFO's Interacting With Our Nuclear Weapons, Robert O. i am pretty sure 3 is not likely. I have not listened to all of them. In my experience it seems the overarching need/message is one of moral superiority and a need to achieve or get a manifestation of some sort that ultimately seems to serve to prove ones elect-ness as if that were the purpose of life. I was at the meeting where Mike told the guy to not be afraid of deceit. Lets see in the BOM alone we have Lehi witnessing a pillar of fire vision that left him exhausted; Nephi being taken up to a high miountain and shown the history of the world; Abinadi being prompted to call out the priests of King Noah at the risk of death; King Benjamin being visited by an angel, Alma the Youngers theophany that left him near death, not to mention those of Limhi and other Lamanite converts. The part of my life most closely parallel to your description was in the Navy in Alaska where I had plenty of time for scripture study, prayer, but more importantly an environment where nature was pristine outside the barracks of course. Post I have become a little too pragmatic. This weekend, after the death of Civil Rights icon John Lewis, Rubio tweeted out his condolences alongside a picture of himself with Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings. by Michael Rush Format: Kindle Edition Kindle Edition $9.99 Paperback $24.99 See all details Sold by Amazon.com Services LLC. Conflicting values is nothing new. "No Pain, No Game". Judging a mans personal revelation to me is fruitless nonsense. First, Stroud got specific when describing a process to commune with heavenly beings. , and anything else that is cult-like or weird.. And yet the excommunications continue. It takes the seeker after a sign to the next level. 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Hamula", "Kelly laments her 'painful' excommunication from Mormon church", "Mormons Oust First Indian in the Hierarchy", "Roz Chalmers, Merlin Holland, David Charles Manners, David Waterman, Midweek - BBC Radio 4", "Skyjackerthe Richard McCoy Jr. Story - Part 2", "Controversial Mormon writer gets the word: He's out of the church", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_former_or_dissident_Mormons&oldid=1140233272, This page was last edited on 19 February 2023, at 03:06. God showed up to her and told her to leave him and now she is part of some cult in southern Utah. And now it has come to this. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. Fear is a tool of the adversary. For this, I humbly apologize and ask for your forgiveness. I really enjoyed the first piece you did on Stroud. Heres my take on that. Are there saints among them? I hoped for the best but unfortunately it was shortly after that meeting when his accusers began to open fire. Many complained of demon possession and having false spirits torment them for months after doing as Mike Stroud suggested. Visit Author Central to update your books, profile picture, and biography. How can we discuss or share experiences if we are afraid that we will be labeled as extreme or potentially get excommunicated for seeking after what Joseph Smith taught we should all be seeking after and that is our second comforter experience. As Rush said, at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, there are no degrees because the learning never stops. Michael B. Abramson is a practicing attorney. Invitation. I dont quite share Strouds optimism about the spiritual level of the church as a whole. Comparing oneself to others cannot make that person any more of what they are nor does it make the other persons any less than what they are. Thank you Mary Ann. Such drug usage stands in sharp contrast to his love of studying the Book of Mormon, earning him a reputation among his friends as a scriptorian. He says he became a man obsessed only with learning about faith, not following. Talk to his neighbors and ward members as I have and you will see how badly you misjudge somebody who is only crime is taking the scriptures seriously and encouraging others to do the same. I am wondering if I could get your comment, (off record of course) re a member named James T. Prout. A Facebook page was put up in December called Mike Stroud Podcast Exposed, modeled after another Exposed page. Unrighteous dominion is the result of fear. David Whitmer believed Jesus Christ appeared to him in the form of a deer, for pitys sake! The Gospel topics essays are a mixed bag. I am the definition of a Rush Baby, and its not just me. A member in Cardston observed, She testified of how real and true the concept of modern revelation from the Lord to His prophet really is.. Which leads into Jackson County Missouri and the New Jerusalem. Seems like there must be more to the story. Since then there have been tens of thousands of articles, blogs, posts, and books that have been written based upon Michaels original work.In addition to A Remnant Shall Return, Michael has written two other ground breaking books Daniel 11 and Revelation The Vision of John the Divine. Alma 12 clearly teaches to seek after knowledge, and to him who does not harden his heart, will be given the mysteries of God. Michael, nice comments. "Always A Cowboy: Judge Wilson McCarthy and the Rescue of the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad." He thought his own wisdom was worth more than his membership in the Lords true church. But if history repeats itself, this situation will only get worse until higher authorities step in and put a stop to it. To make a long story short, when things seemed hopeless, two events planted the feeling in my mind and the word was spoken. I say this because in my long life Ive heard a few claim Pres. Many of you might be familiar with this guy, he's the guy who's been quite prolific about the Ezra's Eagle prophecy. I like Rush in the general sense and have found some some of his views even helpful, but I disagree with him on a number of particulars. Evan. Ive listened to almost every podcast of Mike Stroud. Those persons are generally under a commandment to impart to the world only those stories that are appointed to be public. There has been a shift. 3/3 He has built a legacy that will endure for many generations to come and will continue to inform our country. Its only when a person overtly undermines the stewardship of The Church and the proper pattern of authority, that it seems people actually run into trouble. They believe they can see evil that others cant. Rush (Ezra's Eagle) and the FP Covid Statement, Re: Michael B. The examples you cite are things that happened to prophets which in nearly all cases not only did they not strive for those experiences they would like to have avoided them. Did you do this 4 times a day for 4 years? Welcome to my YouTube channel! What mightve gotten him in trouble this time? Brother Sky, I agree its a very fine line. Brother Strouds narrative is indeed lacking in much that might legitimize it. He can only offer death, Jesus is the only covenant that leads to life, and he will annul the death covenant, it will not succeed. Rush had been residing in Dallas County, Texas . 4. If we just use good judgement we will already be able to expose the lies. They are trained to be smarter, tactically superior and technologically advantaged - Melbourne's answer for a cutting edge trend in policing worldwide. Excommunication. [This is the most likely reason I can see, which is why I noted that hed previously been corrected on inappropriate doctrines and highlighted questionable teachings in his newer podcasts.] My reply started with a reminder that Abraham met God on a mountain, so did Moses, so did Jesus (mount of Transfiguration). Alas, it is so widespread that to fill the roles in a typical ward one might have to dig into the barrel and choose some people that ought not to be chosen. I quite like Michael Rush. . Why? Your email address will not be published. But its not just about spending time with deity. The Church constantly deals with apostasy, sometimes in large waves, because of it. He was never under any threat of disciplinary action as far as I can tell, but priesthood leaders found several of his teachings inappropriate. To his credit, Stroud clearly identified those teachings in his final podcast, published November 5th. The newly-confirmed couple was seen leaving the Caribbean island of St. Barts together after several days soaking up the sun. In other words, those portions of Gods words or intentions that are public are published in scripture about which new scripture comes into existence the moment a prophet creates it. Thank you for this update on Mike Stroud. A neighbor gave me his podcasts, and as I listened to them I increasingly felt uncomfortable with his teachings; especially the Visions of Glory type stories of others that he shared. Replace it with righteous dominion? [A]t this point in time, in the day of the gathering of Israel, there has never been a more appropriate time for us to obtain the power and knowledge, wisdom and understanding from the Book of Mormon through revelation and angelic ministry than right now. Contact Us - Privacy Policy - Terms and Conditions. I am much more impressed by the ignorant man who is filled with the love of God for the people around him, than the person who professes to know the secrets of Christ, and aspire to be worthy of the company of the former. Where are the stories of single mothers working desperately to provide food for their children, even to the point of offering their bodies to men of power who exercise unrighteous dominion? Mike Stroud set himself up as a light about the Prophet of God and convinced people that it would be through his Podcasts that THE REMENT would be awakened and they were the ones chosen to prepare the way for the second coming of the Lord. Refusing to accept a gift might be what you meant, and yes, that would be rude and there might be no more offer of gift. Being able to discern good-weird from bad-weird isnt particularly easy or obvious. If you seek professional advice, please see a licensed professional with your respective government. This of course presumes one can discern good fruit from bad. We are all equal. 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In the process he talked about how the secret combinations had stolen the election from Trump (clearly not something anyone in LDS leadership would say). Required fields are marked *. It was inappropriate for me to teach that temple ordinances, specifically the use of altars, should be practiced outside of the temple. Scootb28, I admire your own zeal for Zion and Im with you on that. That passion for Mormon doctrine did not prevent his 2003 excommunication from the LDS Church. Interestingly, I just found out that Julie Rowe, another podcaster and author, was excommunicated in April. Instead, its based on separation and comparison in how their abilities measure up to the abilities of others. I am really disappointed in this article. Rush is the author of A Remnant Shall Return - 2020 Edition (4.76 avg rating, 79 ratings, 16 reviews), Eleven (4.62 avg rating, 8 ratings, 1 r. Home My Books Our experience and study in the gospel is always personal and you are viewed and deemed a heretic if you even mentioned in public a vision, revelation or something that we absolutely preach that is possible and all of our pioneer ancestors received experienced. During 2018, Stroud experienced more intense spiritual experiences and was regularly visited by heavenly beings (Heavenly Father, Heavenly Mother, Jesus Christ, and others). I would say all things in this world should only be considered by the guidance of the Spirit. Formally join another church and advocate its teachings. Nevertheless, by suggesting that these men have these experiences because they are prophets of God confirms an hierarchythese men are specialeven, by extension, I love them more. That includes defining doctrines and positions of the Church and taking action on heresy from whatever side that may come. I didnt get that from Mike Stroud. Thats like at Christmas when your children tell you their wish list. Consciously getting up and leaving ones body is not something most could do even if they spent all day trying. However, that was one very spiritual experience he shared with us that has stuck with me through life. ' (Podcast 012: 1 Nephi 12, abt 47:25) This is a perfect example of why people have mixed feelings about Lamanite identification. | Jan 1, 2002. But I agree with you general point that if we want to establish Zion we need to shrug off the standard mortal way of looking at things. The Chaplain wrote a complaint in the base newsletter about people preferring to go to the mountains on the Sabbath, which included me. The lady did NOT come to Mike to ask if she had a Second Comforter experience. 901 DEWEY STREET TALLAHASSEE, FL 32304. University of Utah Press, 2018. I also have a husband that is very nervous that I listen to podcasts by people who are on the extreme edge. 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